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A Proud Taste for Scarlet and Miniver

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Both Eleanor and Louis were betrothed at an older age for specific reasons. Louis wasn't betrothed at a younger age because he wasn't the first son that was supposed to be the heir of the throne, his brother was. Louis was the second child. His older brother, Philip, broke his neck after an accident while riding a horse. So, in place of Philip, Louis became heir of the throne. Eleanor's reason for not being betrothed as an infant was because her father and grandfather had thought that they had found a way to live forever. That is why, in this case Eleanor was betrothed at a later age than usual. This shows that Eleanor's father and grandfather were uptight and never selfless. In the text Abbott Suger recites what Duke William, Eleanor's father, said when at prayer,"Put Your strength into my fist, O God, and then after, dear God, I'm going to make a nice donation to one of Your churches"(Konigsburg 21). He was not only trying to ask God to help him kill someone, but also was challenging God. He was trying to bribe God to do something for him. When he commanded God to put his strength into his fist that showed how selfish he was and how uptight he was.



In //A Proud Taste For Scarlet and Miniver//, Louis marries Eleanor. In their marriages they have had many issues with the actions of each other and the attitudes of each other. you can see that Eleanor and Louis are clearly opposites from the very beginning. Their decisions and actions are the main problems in their relationship. Eleanor wants to do something that Louis thinks will result in problems, or the other way around. These problems usually result in issues with the lives of others and their lives. One time Eleanor wanted to stay in a beautiful valley, even though Louis already decided to stay on a plateau. Eleanor's plan was to stay in the valley, and then in a few minutes Louis would look over the edge of the cliff and see her below and meet her to stay. Unfortunately her process wasn't completed. The Turks came down from the mountain nearby and slaughtered Louis' men. Many died, but luckily Louis and a few others lived. When Eleanor and Louis met afterwards their relationship became worse and they were no longer getting along. Eleanor was struck dumb when Louis remarked," Tomorrow we close ranks and head for port, and you, Eleanor, will close you mouth and do likewise"(62). Now Eleanor and Louis really didn't seem to like each other at all, and Louis was having to command Eleanor. That just isn't usual for married couples to have to order around one another.



Wiki Post 2- March 27, 2012

Divine Justice is something like karma. If you do something good to someone, something, or whatever, it is going to be given back in some way. It is also the same the other way around. If you do something bad you are most likely going to get something bad done to you back. Divine Justice is thought to be given by God, somewhat of a punishment if you have done something bad, or an award if you have done something good. Abbott Bernard thinks that Geoffrey's death had to do with the Divine Justice that God has chosen to do to Geoffrey for all of his actions. Mother Matilda says," Abbott Bernard said that it was Divine Justice, but I don't think it was. If Geoffrey were the sinner that Abbott Bernard believed him to be, why would he die after he had been restored to the Church after being excommunicated?" (84). This just retells where Abbott Bernard believes that Geoffrey was killed because of Divine Justice and it shows Mother Matilda's view of his death. This idea of Divine Justice has everything to do with the question,"To what extent can a person's decisions and/or actions change his/her life and the lives of others?" The extent of your behavior and actions is how Divine Justice plays into your life, and the way divine justice plays into your life could be either good or bad depending on how your actions and behavior was. Divine Justice ma or may not have been the cause of Geoffrey's death, but it is highly unlikely considering the chain of events that have just played out.



Eleanor and Matilda are both against Thomas Becket being appointed as archbishop because afterwards he will choose to serve God rather than his king. Henry was all in for it and couldn't stand Eleanor's and Matilda's thoughts because they were against him. The only reason he was in for it was because he needed to combine the two laws, The Church's and the Court's, so they would be at an agreement and would be able to have one self-sufficient law. Without Becket being archbishop, he wouldn't really have anyone to specifically go to in the church clergy if he needed help on the other side of the deal. Henry explains the whole problem with the Church and court law," I have made the English law firm and just and uniform throughout the island. Except for one thing. And that is the Church. Anyone who claims that he is the lowliest clerk in the tiniest church is excused from the English law and is allowed to be tried by the Church law"(114). This shows that Henry feels that he needs to have both laws combined to have one law that everyone follows and isn't allowed to excuse themselves from. In the book, though, Thomas does end up becoming the Archbishop of Canterbury, but he decides to listen to God rather than Henry, his king. Now he regards God as his Lord rather than King Henry. Henry's thoughts are strong, but the reality is that Thomas Becket wouldn't solve his issue with the Church law.



Wiki Post 3 - April 3rd, 2012

King Henry and Eleanor's teaching methods differ in ways that change their childrens' lives. First of all, the both have different perspectives on things. This could have played a part in how their children grew up differently. If you consider the characteristics of their children that they grew up, there are some slight differences between the boys. John acts in a rude, unkind manner, whereas the other boys don't and are friendly and like-able. In one argument between King Henry, Eleanor begins saying," What makes you think, dear husband, that you will be able to appoint Thomas as bishop.....," then Henry answers," I shall only suggest a few important people that Thomas Becket be named Archbishop of Canterbury" (112-112) In this argument Eleanor has a lot of reasons why her husband shouldn't appoint Thomas Becket as Archbishop of Canterbury, but Henry thinks the opposite. Maybe this is why they teach differently, not speaking of the specific statement, but the idea that they think differently. Their thoughts and perspectives that differ extend so far that they have affected the lives of others, including their children. Because of their extent of having totally different perspectives Young Henry and Richard have accustomed to have different perspectives and argue against each other over things like their parents.



The rules of the Courts of Love, established by Eleanor and Marie, have effected how men treat women in so many ways that I think women should really thank them. Now men respect and give in to women. If not for the Courts of Love, women may not have been treated the same, they might have been treated with little respect and men would still have the higher authority and upper hand over women. One rule in the the many rules that they established said," Every love regularly turns pale in the presence of his beloved" (Rules of Courtly Love). Through this guide it says that men regularly blush or turn pale when they see a women, which shows that men are to be sensitive towards their beloved. Even to this day me n turn pale and blush when in the presence of their beloved. Men open doors for women, seat them, and do lots of other things to show sensitivity and respect towards his beloved. We usually see this play out in public, at school, and especially in plays.